Chicago Comic-Con Post-Game

by Mark on August 25, 2010

I’ve spent a day or two thinking about what I would say about Chicago Comic Con 2010.

Avatar co-founder William Christensen and I have known Gareb, his family, and the original staff since the earliest days of Wizard the magazine. I first noticed the magazine with Gareb and Co. sitting behind a folding table in a small room with a color photocopy of the McFarlane Spider-Man cover of Wizard #1 at a (now defunct distributor) Capital City retailer trade show in 1989. And I introduced myself to Gareb, his father, and longtime Wizard EIC Pat McCallum standing in line at a US premiere of Batman (the Keaton/Nicholson version) later that year.

In the two decades since then, Wizard has almost always been a polarizing presence in the comics industry. There are early Wizard employees whom I consider friends and have a great deal of respect for, who may respond to this piece with other perspectives. I respect that, and am well aware that I don’t know everything there is to know about the Wizard era.

But there is an aspect to the public conversation about Wizard that has never sat well with me — On the one hand, there is the public Wizard who was wildly successful, went on to be perceived as a symbol for what went wrong with 90′s comics, and then transmogrified into a convention organizer for wrestlers and geek movie stars. On the other hand, there is the Wizard who sent flowers to my mother’s funeral when they barely knew me as a guy who liked to write about Jack Kirby and cool indy books. Thinking about that just now as I’m typing this, I’m smiling about an early phone conversation where Gareb had asked me what was hot at the moment and I’d ignored sales trends and responded with an explanation of the merits of Nexus and Steve Rude.

I once told William that I thought Gareb would be just as happy publishing Car and Driver as he was Wizard. I meant it as a criticism, but in an era during which catering to niche nerdery is becoming bizarrely valuable, that sounds a lot less like disinterest than it does a knack for publishing geek information porn.

Bringing this full circle, I’m a bit disappointed at the buzz propagating this year that Wizard no longer cares about comics, which I think is a mistaken impression. There has long been internet skuttlebutt about the rift between the Big Two and Wizard, and the apparent preemptive counter-programming regarding guests at NYCC that I saw from Marvel on twitter last week as Chicago was about to get underway would seem to serve as the latest reminder that Marvel and Wizard are on the outs. My personal opinion is that this is a lot less about one individual’s lack of public advocacy for comics than it is about increasingly-gigantic media companies like Time-Warner and Disney exacting control over their increasingly-important geek culture images.

Make no mistake, NYCC and C2E2 organizers Reed Exhibitions are doing a great job with their entries into the comics industry (C2E2 was a hugely successful show for Avatar, contrary to the general news meme that the launch of the show underperformed), but conventions are far more important to the growth of the industry than people generally realize right now, and competition in this area serves everyone.

I think the creators on the ground are the first to realize this, and it was interesting to see a few major fan-favorites in artist’s alley and elsewhere who might otherwise have been ensconced inside the Marvel or DC cocoons.

Obviously I’m biased, but this year’s Chicago Con was a lot of fun for me — I talked to a lot of fans, bought a lot of comics (I’m currently a Golden Age DC guy, for the record), watched William work out deals with a lot of creators, and had zero time to consider which other publishers did or didn’t show up.

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  • http://twitter.com/CrimespreeJon Jon Jordan

    We had a great time in Chicago, Both in terms of fun and sales. I agree there is room for both shows in Chicago. And artist alley this year was hopping.

  • Chuck

    I’ve been doing some thinking as well. I hold Wizard in a negative light. This is mainly due to one action on their part. When they intentionally scheduled a convention the exact same weekend and only a few hours drive away from Heroes Con that left a bad taste. It was the Wal-Mart effect. A big corporation is trying to squeeze out the independents.

  • http://www.avatarpress.com MarkSeifert

    Chuck — I well remember that controversy, it seemed a poor choice to me at the time given how highly regarded Sheldon’s shows have always been.

    That said, that wasn’t too long after Mike Wolfer (Gravel, Lady Death, Night of the Living Dead, etc), then a self-publisher and longtime regular of Heroes Con, was asked not to exhibit at the show anymore, presumably in an effort to focus on family-oriented publishers. That was their right of course, but such decisions can give rise to competition.

    Of course, now Wizard is feeling the same sort of competition as NYCC / C2E2 organizers Reed are one of the country’s biggest trade show operators.

  • http://twitter.com/PCN_DiRT DiRT

    As someone who publicly dissed WWC this year, I’d like to point out that Wizard never sent my mother flowers. They did, however, take over the “local con” and turn it into an event that didn’t center on comics. It’s their show – they have the right – but as someone who travels to and covers cons, this was a terrible display of what the comic book industry has to offer.

  • http://www.avatarpress.com MarkSeifert

    I do get that, and it’s on them to make sure they’re delivering what people want if they want to be competitive. Chicago is my favorite major show, and I’d like to see it stay a great show, and I’d like to see lots of other publishers show up.

    However, as I said on Bleeding Cool, I don’t think this is about Gareb waking up one day and deciding he preferred the WWE and the IL Democratic Party to Marvel and DC. I think it’s about him putting his best face on the way it played out. If they’d been able to get either Marvel or DC to come to the show I think this conversation probably doesn’t happen.

    Of course, it IS their responsibility to get more major comic exhibitors to the show if that’s what they want. I actually think that is what they want, but they were unable to do so.

  • Chuck

    I’m probably not the best person to ask about comic book conventions as I’ve only been to one. Comic Con 2002. So, I may be jaded.

    I do not buy the Wizard magazine anymore. I do not believe there is enough information coming out of the comic book world to justify 20 – 30 conventions each year. All you end up getting is nothing to hear or a rehash of old info.

    Since you work at Avatar let me ask you some questions. If there were 2 conventions on the same weekend would you choose 1 or would you split your people and attend both? What do you hope to “get out” of conventions? Do you look for the one most likely to recover expenses? The most people in attendance? Closest to you?

    When my friends and I went to San Diego we did not go explicitly because of CCI, We just chose the time when it was going on. Going to LA and San Diego was the main reason for the trip.

    But getting back to the original point, I do not believe the comic book industry is large enough to start stepping on each other’s toes and call it competition.

  • http://www.avatarpress.com MarkSeifert

    Avatar does a LOT of cons now, we’re doing a decent job hitting as many areas of the country as possible at this point and have done 3 shows in Canada this year too. Our basic mission there is to cover as much ground around the country as possible, show new fans our stuff, maybe sell them a tpb, and hope they’ll start picking up some of our stuff through their local after the show.

    I see your point about competition but I do disagree to a great extent. Reed is doing cons and Wizard is expanding their reach because the event business is very good right now. Over the long term, having a range of convention organizers from those two to the numerous strong local promoters that there are around the country is a good thing. If Wizard feels the heat from not having enough comic exhibitors at their shows, they’ll either try to do better or Reed or a local promoter will step in and eat their lunch.

    There’s a lot of pretty intense competition going on in the industry at any number of levels. If we’re working with an artist or writer people like, you better believe they hear from other publishers. If we’ve got a licensed book doing well, you better believe someone else is figuring out how to pick up that license when it’s available (and sometimes, before). I know what you’re saying, but believe me, I’m very familiar with larger competitors trying to use their size to outmaneuver you. You’ve just got to see it as a sign you’re doing something right and use it to keep getting stronger and smarter.

    As for the 2 cons question — we are actually contemplating that now, and it’s likely within the next year we’ll have the staff to do 2 shows at once. And the fact that we’re thinking about that is a testament to how strong shows are right now.

  • Chuck

    Interesting. I’m not trying to be an ass here. This seems to be the typical “2 different perspectives on the same thing” going on here. I come from the customer POV and you come from the business POV. For me, conventions are all about, “What info do you have regarding upcoming creative teams on books. I mainly look for that info on my DC titles. Avatar being a smaller company that kind of info to me is different. You mainly deal with mini series. I will always buy Detective Comics and Batman. So knowing who is going to be writing them matters to me.

    Which is why to me who shows up at which con does not matter as much. I do not choose to go to a con based on who is going to be there. Believe me. I help run a local convention. Guests do not matter. We brought in Walter Koenig and our numbers did not increase. People who show up at the cons are going to be there regardless.

    The best thing any convention can do is put on a hell of a show for the customers. If they have fun and have an awesome experience they will be back. Regardless of who was there.

    So from my point of view competition comes down to where can I have the best time. Not who is where. Because that awesome guest is only there for a couple of panels. What are you going to do the rest of the time? At our convention we have a 24 hr game room. THAT is what I do the rest of the time.

    I love comic books. Heck, I work in the construction industry and I have no problem telling people how much I enjoy Wednesdays. They ask why and I tell them comic books. Some people get a weird look on their face, so I go on to tell them more about comics. I believe the genre is full of possibilities.

    This thread alone is one reason why I like Avatar so much. I could never imagine a scenario where I have this kind of conversation with someone from DC. This and Warren Ellis kicks a lot of butt.

    So, I guess who shows up at what convention and whether or not some magazine doesn’t like comics anymore is meaningless next to the product produced. Wizard, from my point of view, does not have anything to do with the publication of titles. People need to quit worrying about who likes who and just put out some good books. Like the ones you all put out.

    ps. Crossed Family Values #3? Still makes me cringe thinking about the ending. *shudder*

  • http://twitter.com/PCN_DiRT DiRT

    That’s true, but that’s a problem on their part that needs to be dealt with and it still sucks for us as attendees.

    I’ve been going to the “Chicago ComiCon” for over 15 years now, and this just felt depressing. Of course, C2E2 took what WWC used to be and captured it whole hog, so it’s not so much that I won’t be going back to Chicago for cons anymore (being in Springfield makes it my “local” con). But I will think twice before going back to WWC again whereas C2E2 felt like the future of the Chicago comic convention scene.

  • Sam

    I picked up Wizard occasionally 10 years ago and honestly loved it, it was jam packed with infectious comic book love. I concentrated on comic books for a while then recently picked up a recent Wizard issue and was sad to see how much it had changed. It was pricey, exceedingly thin and irrelevant, with very little comic book interest and weak content spread as thinly as possible, much like Marvel/ DC output.

    I will not be buying Wizard again, frankly I don’t see why anyone would and I expect the magazine to be discontinued soon.

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